this video is part two and I might make a few other parts to the video on how to convert a truss roof system engineered roof system to a conventional framing system in order to put a vaulted ceiling in now in this video I want to talk about installing the beam first so what if you can actually get the beam in without cutting the trusses because remember you can't cut the trusses until they're supported and you could always support the trusses don't get me wrong you can always run a long 2x4 up to maybe the bottom of this and the bottom of this too if you're going to use these supports or run a 2x4 to the top or make a few supports underneath the truss but anytime you cut the trust's make sure that it's supported and I don't just mean one trust all the trusses would need to be supported and you could get away with quite possibly supporting every other trust but that would be going to leave that up to you so if you can get the beam in and the truss is not damaged you don't cut the truss or there are no supporting members in the middle you could actually end up with a trust looking something like this and there is no support trust support in the center making it easier for you to install the beam so again this would all depend upon what type of roof system you have and how much you would need to add to it to support it so in the previous video I think I had a support underneath the existing or the new rafters in this if you were going to use this system you would need to somehow brace and support this and it might not be feasible so this these are just some throwing this out there is another method but it might not it might be difficult it might provide you with more work and and of course it might not work at all here's the next problem you're going to have that would be to actually get the rafter into the bay and this is where it's going to be difficult and this is why I suggested doing the other method the one in part one I should say and you can see right here that we have the Raptor if we're going to raise it straight up it's going to be in the way we are not going to be able to just simply raise it straight up this would be going straight up you know yeah you're right we could run it into the wall but that's not going to help us out so here's the rafter up against the wall here framing plate and it's not going to go in this way however we might be able to remove the exterior block and slide the rafter into the bay and this is all going to depend upon the size of the Raptor and the height or the distance in the bay here this might not work for example if you have a 2x4 truss and a 2 by 12 rafter which I believe this is what this scales to I'm pretty sure it says 2 by 12 something like this might work now with this right here I'd like to point out you can always move the rafter over a little bit and move the rafter this way a little bit get it at an angle this might give you a little more room and then and then once you get it into the bay and slide it past you'll actually need to work it you'll kind of wiggle your way up and see if you can turn it off of its side into its proper position this could be difficult but not impossible sometimes you might need to use a little force to get it in but I'm providing you with this angle here so that you can see we would have plywood on top of here now if you don't have any roof sheeting obviously this wouldn't be a problem at all but if you are doing this to an existing roof and your roof sheathing you're not going to be able to push this rafter in any farther you're going to reach a point where it's just not going to go any further and you can see here that we're off just a little bit and this is where if you moved it to it moved it at an angle move the bottom to the right and move the top to the left something like this this could work and again this is a good I have seen a variety of different problems with this ran into it myself like I said the first method is definitely a method I would prefer but if you have the right type of trust like I was saying this might this system might actually work the only problem with this one right here and this is the biggie only problem with this is that you need to remove the blocks and if these blocks are going to be difficult to remove or if there's a problem they're going to create a problem from the exterior finish then you might not be able to use this system you might be able to if you need a little more room you're having a difficult time get the rafter in you might be able to cut some of the rafter at the end like this you might be able to remove some of it at the bottom and then put a filler piece underneath it for example if you could remove 3/4 of an inch off the bottom and then put a three quarter inch filler piece on top of the plate so the rafter can sit on top of it the engineer might even allow you to cut the wraptor from let's just say an inch down come in like two feet and then you would have a filler piece and then once the wraptor was installed you can install the filler piece in that might be ok but again that would be something that you would need to check with the inspector on I mean the engineer on you could always you put a spacer piece at the top this might be allowable and again this is all just if you need a little bit a little bit more room sometimes all you need is a quarter of an inch if that's the case use a quarter inch spacer if it's acceptable and you're good one more thing I'd like to point out if you are going to do this particular method wouldn't be a bad idea before you install the beam wouldn't be a bad idea to create some type of a false beam and place it in position just one stud Bay I mean one Raptor Bay if you have your rafters or space 24 inches on Center maybe create a 30 inch space you could always do with a piece of plywood or if it's a 2 by 12 4 by 12 6 by 12 beam you could always cut a section of the beam off if you have an extra section of the beam don't cut cut it just to do this you could always make something up and I hope this makes sense you know you could use two by fours and get the build something that's going to create a false beam and then see if you can actually get the Raptors into the into this area and you might be able to do it just by measuring some stuff you could make some marks on the rafters and might be give give you an idea if you're going to be able to get the Raptors in after you install the beam again this is not something that some this is something I've tried it like this and it's been difficult and I've actually had to force the Raptors in which pushed the plywood or the roof sheathing up and I don't know if this is always a good thing you know and I've Shem the bottoms I've Shem the sides of the sides of the rafters here and it's not always going to be the best method so if this doesn't work refer back to method 1 and of course I'm going to try and make a few more parts a few more parts to the video here and see if I can provide you with a little more information I have done this before and it is not an easy task either route that you take sometimes each each of these methods presents its own set of problems just like any other construction project especially when it comes to remodeling and I'm going to try and provide you with a few more of those problems that I've ended up with while doing this just so that you can be ahead of the game and somehow maybe head those problems off at the pass by adapting and modifying some of the methods here in these video examples you