okay I just wanted to show you these great accessories by goodie these are spin pins and you can get them in a 2-pack at Walmart or Target I believe they're about $5.99 or you can get these and several other cool hair accessories from goodie calm for about 14.99 plus shipping and handling it still is cheaper for me to get them online than buy them individually um these are the equivalent of 20 bobby pins and I don't know if I think they're the equivalent of that many maybe 10 but they definitely hold up well and my daughter has extremely thick hair so they work really good for us if we just want a quick hairdo you can start with doing a regular ponytail with a rubber band or you can just twist it without a rubber band and go to make it fun this doesn't have to be neat it doesn't have to be pristine but you can wrap the ends so they're all hidden and tucked in nicely we like to do them kind of messy so hair kind of sprays out and this is just after her bath so her hair is still kind of wet then you take the ends and you simply twist it into the hair and her hair's my hands are slippery and then you take a second one if you don't have a ton of hair I guess you could only you have to use one but we like to use the two because her hair is so thick this held up great on a day of play and there you go and then when you want to take them out you just simply twist it the opposite way and it comes out nice and easy just like a screw and then the one in the bottom if I can find it the same way you just twist it the opposite way and my hands are slippery and there you go that's it