thank you some pointers yeah definitely yes well you don't even need your hand over here anymore since this is holding it okay so you can use this hand as a control hand and this is your actual like power hand so gas and brake so as you're coming through here you can actually steer this is kind of a punky spot too let's get you a better spot I'm this strong piece of wood I have this side so let's see you guys put it like a little bevel on here somebody index finger is actually doing the angle support and all I'm doing back here just pushing through mm-hmm so I can come in here pick up a chips and then push forward and then as it's going I'm actually breaking with this hand controlling it but you can see how chisel is actually kind of fibers and not crushing them mm-hmm so I mean it's somewhat sharp give it a try okay so controlling yep I think it's difficult to try to pick up the tip and it is hard to pick up the shaving I guess it's a because the feel thing that you get over time it is because to pick up the shave thing actually have to bring the angle up hook into it and then bring it back down to push through you