The first example has . It's important to note the ending particle -- this is used in Classical Japanese after a suppositional ending to indicate a rhetorical question with an implied negative outcome, a bit like English construction " _would_ he know that?" → implying that he wouldn't.
The examples with (from older suppositional ) are not followed by this same negative-rhetorical particle, so the translations into modern Japanese phrasing do not include any negative sense.
See also:
* This Q&A about the term []{}, which includes that same construction.
* The Kotobank entries for , such as in Daijisen here, specifically sense .2.: 2.…